Stumbling Upon the Wolfmen
Stumbling Upon the Wolfmen
on Myths, Mysteries and Majesty: Real Stories of Strange Encounters, Modern and Historical
New Year’s Eve 2023. The last day of 2023 (123123)! And we’re back to chatting about werewolves, the paranormal and the preternatural on Nikola’s YouTube channel - Myths, Mysteries, and Majesty. He produces discussion-style interviews on fascinating topics, always intersecting with biblical studies.
We discuss and read from Real Wolfmen: True Encounters in Modern America by Linda S Godfrey and The Book of Werewolves: Being an Account of a Terrible Superstition by Sabine Baring-Gould. Topics touched on are (see below):
Origin of the term lycanthropy (ancient Rome, human flesh!)
Human-animal combos go back to 6500 BCE and is there a possible connection with Lovecraft’s Cthulhu?
Norse Berserkers, the Egyptian god Anubis, and the Danish king who turned into a bear!
Mythological development across the ages, how it contains truth and the potential for ancient spiritual forces behind it.
The Beast of Gevaudan, a werewolf story from the eighteenth century.
The witch and werewolf trials between the fifteenth and nineteenth centuries.
Jean Grenier, a werewolf story from seventeenth century France.
Much, much more…
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Transcript is farther down this page. I have linked or provided more information in footnotes regarding many of the concepts, authors or topics mentioned in our conversation. Thanks for watching!
Books
Godfrey, Linda S. Real Wolfmen: True Encounters in Modern America. Illustrated edition. New York: TarcherPerigee, 2012.
Baring-Gould, Sabine. The Book of Werewolves: Being an Account of a Terrible Superstition. Edited by Tarl Warwick. CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, 2016.
Transcript:
Nikola Hristov Victorious 1:34
It's the last day of 2023. You're invited to a party. You're getting ready, and you're about to leave your home to go to the church or a club or someone's house. And then you see this weird podcast with two guys about to talk about God the Bible, religion, mythology and wolfman. You're about to leave your house. But then something is telling you, well, maybe you should stay and pay attention to this episode. And if you want to learn more, I'm just inviting all of you to stay and listen to some of the real eyewitness. Real eyewitness stories we have to tell you for tonight. But before we start doing that, I want to just welcome back Dain to our channel and if he can just reintroduce himself again. Thank you.
Dain Deutschman 2:23
Hey, thanks, Nikola. I'm Dain Deutschman. I'm just a seminary student, IT guy and interested in all these topics that Nikola is putting together here about the paranormal and we ran into each other on Mike Heiser’s Divine Council Facebook Group, which is talking about some spiritual matters with regard to biblical studies. And so yeah, and I'm actually live on Twitter here as well. So if you're on Twitter, and you want to check out Nikola’s podcast, it's Myths, Mysteries and Majesty on YouTube, and otherwise, yeah, thanks for having me on.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 3:10
Awesome, thank you. Tonight we're going back to the author or Linda S. Godfrey. She has written a plethora of very interesting books. I'm just inviting you to support her and buy some of her work and check it yourself. I'm going to post the Amazon link of the book that we'll be going to read from tonight. Dain and me. And we're starting with chapter three, which is about the Wolfman and the third chapter. Third chapter in the Wolfman story is called The Lycan Pedigree so we'll be doing the same thing that we started doing a few weeks ago, we'll be reading and commenting, right? Okay, so the story goes like this:
“The werewolf was well known in antiquity, and the Greeks and Romans seemed especially fascinated with the concept of a human canine blend, the Roman poet Ovid, which is fine, I have a compilation of his book of stories, and he was born in 43 BC, he told the story of the evil King Lycaon whom the god Zeus or Jupiter, transform into a wolf after the king sneakily served him human flesh at a banquet.”
Man talking about the revenge, right? Like his name eventually morphed into the word…
“Today the term means any condition of werewolfism, from a psychological disorder that causes the afflicted to believe they have turned into wolves, to actual human to wolves transformation that some people believe it's possible through magic spirit helpers, astral body doubles, or other extra mundane means.
The idea of the human and animal mashup predates even the Greeks and Romans. However, as far back as 6500 BCE, an ancient settlement in the era of the present day Turkey called Catalhuyuk that featured wall paintings of priests costumed as vultures. Within 3500 years of the founding of the Turkish settlement, the ancient Egyptians had begun to portray their deities with the heads of animals such as the jackal god Anubis mentioned later in this book.”
Okay, let's take a short break.
Dain Deutschman 5:40
Catalhuyuk? Why does that sound like Cthulhu?
Nikola Hristov Victorious 5:47
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, but I was just about to make that reference. But do you see how from different mythologies and people groups and civilizations they had similar stories? Yeah, they're separated by long distances. It always fascinates me when we see stories, not of this sort. Any stories like, let's let's go with a flood or let's go with the giants or, let's see with the wolf with the winged lions, and any type of different weird stories or creatures. Whenever I see stories being repeated into different ancient civilizations who never were in touch with each other, it always tells me like, well, there could be something more than just mere legend. So I just wanted to ask you, for you as a, as a seminary of biblical theology student, would you agree with this?
Dain Deutschman 6:38
Yeah, I totally agree with that. And, you know, I kind of put that in basically two categories. Well, first of all, if they didn't have access…if the cultures did not have access to each other, then you have to ask yourself, how did they come up with similar ideas? And then after that, it makes me think, well, it's, there's something spiritual behind it, that's common. So some of these spirits and entities can have personalities, per se. And one can recognize the personalities come through in the different cultures as well as, even in interacting with them. Like if you're a demonologist, or something, and you're, you're in deliverance work, you can actually recognize a common personality across different names and things like that. But one interesting thing I was reading the other day was, so I was reading about H.P. Lovecraft, and the story of his, his, you know, just his his life. And there's this book, The Cult of the Alien Gods.1 And we've talked about that book before. And in that book, it goes through, you know, H.P. Lovecraft’s early days and through his career, and other authors that have interacted with him. And there's this one guy, I think his name is Howard something.2 I can't remember his name, just off the top of my head. But there was an author around I think this was around the 1930s. And H.P. Lovecraft supposedly didn't know anything about this guy. And as you know, Lovecraft, you may or may not know, people may or may or may not know, he came up with the Cthulhu you god or character in his books. And it's spelled how's it spelled? Nikola? [ … ] Okay. And so anyways, he got ahold of this guy, or he found the story this guy had written, let's call him Howard, I could be getting the name wrong. And he came up with a mythology almost identical to H.P. Lovecraft. But the name of one of his monsters was something like Cthulhu spelled with a K. And a little bit different.3 It's in this book I'm talking about and I didn't come prepared with this information.
But anyways, in response to your question, they, they didn't know about each other. And yet, they came up with a very similar mythology, even down to the names. And so this makes me think, well, maybe there's just something about living in the same time period, given, you know, the history of the world, and the various literary works that existed before us, and everything that we're exposed to in our same culture, and then that they came up with, you know, the same type of mythology. And I have to believe it's the same in in ancient times, you know, ancient Israel, there's a lot of parallels and you mentioned the flood story, and some other stories, the creation story. And so it makes me wonder, maybe there's a mix of just commonality of just living in the same era, and everything that people are exposed to, but then also, probably they had contact with each other maybe sometimes. But on top of all that, it makes me think maybe there's a common spiritual force, kind of behind that. And then through the ages, because if we can identify personalities in these different gods that have different names in different cultures, but the same personality traits, it starts to make me wonder, is this a spiritual thing? You know, behind the scenes?
Nikola Hristov Victorious 10:28
Yeah, thank you for that. That was fascinating. Because I bumped into the book, you which I mean, you know, but the audience doesn't know Necronomicon from 1980.4 And I was like, I'm not dealing with this because the whole book is very Satanic and I wanted to read the introduction because it gave me a lot of information, even if some is false, but at least when it comes from their own camp (Satanic), they were like saying how Lovecraft’s material was connected with Aleister Crowley's with Sumerian mythology, and it was basically all this combo of of everything. It's not it's not a mere horror, like maybe let's say Stephen King does this was an occultic horror. And I was just reading in their introduction, how they were breaking down some very old ancient Sumerian words how they had something like two differently spelled but but very, very similar. And it was a deity. It was a cosmic. And I was like, dang it. So So Lovecraft did not invent these gods. God with small g, right? Yeah, sure. He he, he added some different elements, but the basic the skeleton was there 1000s of years before Lovecraft. So that's yeah, that's interesting, but also kind of scary, because, I mean, you can see this depressive, dreadful anticipation of nothingness. It's like, it's hopelessness. There's not God, like, like a pure divine fear of failure, like Christ coming to conquer Cthulhu, right, like, you're homeless, like, let's face it, you're gonna die and you're gonna die with miserable death of this cosmic evil deity.5 So that's interesting how from, from different civilization to different to another civilization. This myth prevail, as like I said, with flood with with giants or like with this, both men are werewolves or vampires in different demonic entities. And I just, I perfectly agree with you with your conclusion. There. Most probably there is this spiritual entity, spiritual background that was exposing themselves to the peoples of antiquity, and just revealing some truth, some show that that's very important. So people were adoring and worshipping these entities.
I think it's true that often, psychology and spirituality mix to afflict us, in the flesh, as well as in the spirit. It's not always just a physical problem, or only a spiritual problem. It's often…both.
Dain Deutschman 13:03
Yeah, it really makes you wonder and with all the divination practices that were so common in these ancient cultures, you know, where they're reading the entrails; how the liver is supposed to look. And that's going to tell you something about about what's going to happen in the future. And, and then you have 1 Enoch, of course, again, I think we talked about that last time where the the Watchers came and taught technology to the people. And so there's contact there. And that's […] natural contact, you know, it's because they took on flesh. And it just makes you wonder, I mean, there's a lot there's so many parallels between all this ancient stuff, and then what's happening kind of around the fringes, fringes of society, with the paranormal, in our, in our time, and it's just, there's got to be either a human, it's a common human experience, you know, or it's a paranormal or spiritual experience, or both. And psychological probably, as well. And, you know, because it's often I think it's true that often, psychology and spirituality mix to afflict us, in the flesh, as well as in the spirit. It's not always just a physical problem, or only a spiritual problem. It's often you know, both. And so that brings you to the idea that you can have a werewolf, that's a demon or something, take on flesh, and you can see it, you can, it's wet in the rain, and you can see the water dropping off. I mean, it's physical. It's not an apparition. And so, yeah, it's just really strange.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 14:45
Yeah, I would just I would just add one sentence. I would agree. I think that people who are spiritually and mentally so and mentally or psychologically healthy. There, there'll be much less prone to be deceived spiritually and to think they are a werewolf or to or to maybe think I'm a vampire or something. If they're healthy in their mind in their brain. They would resist such an opinion though Oh, suddenly I'm craving for blood or suddenly I want to hurt someone like you wouldn't have those hopes and desires if you're healthy, psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually, so yes, yeah, okay.
6Yeah, I'm early Icelandic historian Snorri. Snoring I like this Snorri Sturluson, who recorded Viking lore around 1200 C. So common error, wrote about highly feared Vikings, Vikings called berserkers who are like this story, which means bear shirts. The warriors would don't bear bear skin tunics for battle in the belief that this would allow them to absorb the animal strength and ferocity. The phrase going berserk still means wild and often violent behavior. In the Advanced biz Berzerker they don't even have to be physically present on the battlefield to do his fearsome work. Some warriors were able to send forth a spirit double. Man, this sounds like a doppelganger, right, almost.
Dain Deutschman 16:21
Yeah.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 16:22
That could assume the full appearance and fighting prowess. I don't know how to pronounce this, of a bear combined with the intelligence of a human. That's insane. It's almost like some schematics. Let's do it work. While this was appearing, yeah, the warriors real body would lie in a state of deep sleep. Those who transform themselves in this manner. We're also called hum ramier. Or hum, wow, I
Dain Deutschman 16:48
had no idea about that. Well, that makes me that's kind of like an answer to angels taken on flesh to maybe I mean, maybe from the spirit realm, they're projecting a flesh.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 17:03
Yeah. Because Because Vikings were pagans. So maybe with the help of Darrow, Juliet's, call them whatever you want to call them, they were able to learn sort of an astral projection leave their body and use it, but for the evil purposes, or maybe it sounds evil, because they're always attacking. Well, let's say in a state of being defending your village defending your settlement. I don't think that case, would it be evil, but it still makes me think it is, because your spirit is joining or your soul is joining an animal? That doesn't sound is something that God would come down? So it's still not something? I would I would I would approve, but yeah, just like you said, I didn't know this last aspect. That's very interesting.
Dain Deutschman 17:46
Yeah, it makes you wonder, because it's kind of crossing boundaries that are forbidden. I think in the first Enoch story with the watchers, one of the reasons they were condemned is because they crossed into a realm, the fleshly realm that they were not allowed to, that God had forbid them to. And so part of their transgression was crossing forbidden boundaries. So in that case that you mentioned, I mean, that's kind of like Brandon Stark from Game of Thrones, where he projected himself into a CRO and he could see everywhere, right, that can also reminds me of I just watched this documentary on prime, it's called Third Eye spies. Have you seen that? Dude, you have to watch this. It's like, it's about the. So it's kind of like from Stranger Things where l would project her thoughts and could see things going on around the world. For this for a spy agency. They actually did that in the 70s and 80s. With psychics. And they, the whole documentary is they're talking to the scientists that ran the program. And a lot of this stuff now is D class because it was in the 70s. So they can talk about it. And it's about how all these remote viewers could see, you know, like, a key in a box in a military installation in Russia, from the United States. And both sides were doing this, Russia was doing this and the United States were doing this during the Cold War. And they were using their psychic powers to do remote viewing or spying. And I was just thinking, you know, it's like, Well, okay, so if they can do that, and that's real, you know, and you think about, there's people who can like bend spoons with their mind and stuff, right? I mean, maybe not bend spoons, but maybe moves like there are people that can do kinetic, they can move things. And then you think about the the phenomena of a poltergeist and oftentimes a poltergeist is someone in the house that is in distress psychologically, is causing all the books to fly off the shelves and stuff like that, right? So there's definitely like a physical aspect to the spiritual, psychological mash. And I think that ties in with the cryptids you know, with the fleshly creatures, the pressure naturally, you know, you need to watch that documentary Dude, it is crazy. Yeah,
Nikola Hristov Victorious 20:18
I will thank you for that. You know, press reference.
Dain Deutschman 20:22
It's like MK Ultra, you know?
Nikola Hristov Victorious 20:26
Wow. Yeah. You know what, when you were mentioning the Game of Thrones, I know how many Christians were like, oh, so I just wanted to you. I just wanted to quote that, Lord. Me mean that comes from the TV show when the when they go into town, and when the ladies go behind the Queen, and they say Shame, shame, shame. Shame on watching Game of Thrones, but I'm kidding. I watched. I watched the same show. Not because I like the political parts or parts or like sexual stuff. Just because I like dragons and swords. I'm like, I mean,
Dain Deutschman 21:01
what can you say in full transparency? My wife and I had to stop watching it because it was so nasty. I mean, the nasty parts were just unnecessary. They could have done that whole thing without all the nudity and all the extreme violence. But um, so I actually had to stop watching it because it the I feel like the spirit was convicting me that was getting to nasty. But then I went back years later and finished it off and just fast forwarded through the nasty parts. And that's kind of like, I think we were talking about this the other day, I think, or maybe you were talking about with Doug, about how different people are spiritually sensitive in different ways to different things, and it can bother you at even I think, at a different time in your life. Then, maybe when you're stronger later in life with your spirituality, maybe it's easier to just look at it and be like, Okay, I'm gonna skip past that. That's bad. And it doesn't bother you or it doesn't convict you in the same way because it's not affecting you. I don't know. But yeah, no, I went with you. Game of Thrones was nasty. Sometimes. It was bad.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 22:05
Yeah. In one story from all Dhanesh sagas, the Viking warrior both war had done this very thing during a battle for the Danish king growth, and lay fast asleep in a safe place as his bear gobble toward the enemy soldiers limit from limb. King growth was unaware of the man's preservers abilities and woke him up thinking he was just sleeping on the job that caused both fathers bear double to disappear and without the bears horrific battle presents their enemies were a were able to rally. Yeah, yeah. And honestly, it to me it doesn't look fake. It doesn't look fake at all. So being budding jeweled, or Sunday, no. Okay,
Dain Deutschman 22:59
so I've been bearing gold. Yeah, gold.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 23:01
A researcher and scholar who work during the 19th century showed that the Viking warriors also use wolf skins to engender battle rage and prowess, and that the war that the word verge means Wolf, and also became associated with those that turned into wolves. Okay, so now we have from from bears to wolves. Okay. She also goes into great, great detail of detail on the derivations and exact meanings of these terms. But suffice it to say that Northern Europeans widely believed the supernatural were animals existed. This weeds Norwegians, Danes, Finns, and others also entertained many varied superstitions about these creatures about this. Bearing gold says that it may be accepted as an axiom that no superstition of general acceptance is destitute of a foundation of truth. To hurt that foundation of truth consisted of the psychological disorder of like Contra P. He believed that eye witnesses mistook the furious Fitz and madness this way by its sufferers for magic. Okay, that's interesting. Other authors such as respected British researchers, Jeanette and Colleen board suggested that the concept of the wearable and most other unexplainable phenomena is based on actual observation of supernatural energy of one kind or another. Well, yeah, I would partially agree there is supernatural energy but who is wielding the supernatural energies? It's not just flying in the in the sky and you somehow, I don't know, obtain it and you willed it. It has to be given to you by someone who is part more powerful than you in the same way. We receive Holy Spirit who is much more powerful than And us and the way we are able to resist the devil the way we're able to do spiritual warfare, though able, we, the way we pray or worship of anything is through that spirit. So he's the one that gives us powers and abilities. Now I'm almost done with my part. Okay, the explanation most widely accepted today for the historic popularity of werewolves in Europe, however, is rooted in the fact that real world wolves were once a rampant threat all over Europe. That's funny because my people think they descended from wolves. I mean, that's one of the stories like, oh, wow, I don't know how that happened to be the first belief but we have such a complex Pantin and mythology. But yeah, sir, like important wolves in oak trees. They're very important in our ancient lore of Serbian and in general Eastern European myth, very important. You know,
Dain Deutschman 25:56
it'd be interesting to do an episode on that sometime. But
Nikola Hristov Victorious 26:01
if I find someone who is well versed with these things, and we can find a scholarly book or something like that, yes. Oh, whoops. We're very common across the continent before the 20th century, and indeed, more and more returned to eating domesticated animals and perhaps the occasional human as Europe's growing agricultural needs wiped out the predators habitat. The poster canine for this dangerous meeting of people and wildlife is the notorious beast of Juva dawn or something like that.
Dain Deutschman 26:39
Okay, I'm gonna see ations Shiva Dawn, Jabba don't
Nikola Hristov Victorious 26:44
I climb with okay.
Dain Deutschman 26:47
I don't know French. So. All right, the beast of Jabba Dawn, France's mysterious marauder. The aptly named and still mysterious wild beast of Jabba Dawn is one of the most sensational cases of alleged killer creatures known to human history. It has been studied and portrayed in countless articles, books and TV shows. I've never heard of it. Yet there is no absolute proof about its true nature. I must note that this creature grisly rap sheet, more than 100 deaths are attributed to it is absolutely unlike the comparatively gentle beast of Bray road, and similar upright canines that have tallied no known human deaths. And yet the beast of Jabba Dawn is often mentioned in connection with werewolves. A decade before the American Revolution in the year 1764. In 1765, the southern portion of France was so terrified of large man killing predator that one province offered a bounty of 100,000 crowns for its dead body. Although it was depicted in drawings of the day with a wolf like head, its form was also compared to those of a panther and a hyena. Witnesses said it had huge teeth red tinged for any large tail that it used as a weapon. They also claimed it ran with lightning speed and lead to unbelievable heights. The creature was very cunning and eluded capture, although it emitted a wicked stench and should have made it easy to track according to historian Montague summers now Montague Summers is a great author to read, if, if anybody isn't aware, he's a good one. And he was what was the was he was a priest, right? I think he was a Catholic priest and a scholar. And he wrote some really good stuff. And I
Nikola Hristov Victorious 28:39
love that he wasn't you know, many people who are like in academia or clergy Dobby, even if they're like, these things that we like, they'll just keep them for themselves because there'll be afraid to lose their position. But he was like, No, I'm, I'm gonna research scholarly as much as able, as much as I was able to do the research from the history from tradition, from lore from, you know, some maybe current eyewitness accounts and write the best as to my knowledge, so he wasn't shy, like, of these topics that people would consider him crazy. He was like, No, I'm gonna I'm gonna research about werewolves. I have his book, and it's right here. And it is on the werewolves. Yes. But he wrote us about vampires and about different topics, so I would encourage people to buy some of his books.
Dain Deutschman 29:28
Yeah, so Montague summers, the inhabitants of the district of Jabba Dawn believed in this animal and that it was a true werewolf. One that was actually a shape shifting Warlock. It was oh, by the way, we were talking about the visit workers and now they had mentioned shape shifting Warlock. Similar to what the Vikings were doing with the Berserkers and stuff. But have you seen the movie North man?
Nikola Hristov Victorious 29:54
It sounds very familiar.
Dain Deutschman 29:55
It's got a tall blonde Norwegian guy from Trueblood in it he's been in the fields anyways, this movie North man has. I've, I've been told and it seemed very legit to me, one of the best sort of depictions of viking berserkers and so that's another thing to North man, you should watch that. That's a really great movie on sort of on this topic, but I mean, it's about the Vikings, but it hits on this topic. So anyways, it was occasionally spied the the beast of Java Dawn was occasionally spied walking upright, but normally ran on all fours, and was bold enough to attack in the daytime, usually preferring women and children. Many historians believe that the killings were the work of several different animals even a pack to wolves were in fact shot after legions of wolf hunters and even French Calvary Calvary units, beat bushes of southern France hunting for them. The shooters identity identities are the source of some dispute. The book, alien animals credits Hunter Monsoor blue after me with killing the creature on September 20 1765. That's pretty interesting. There's actually a name and a date and setting the carcass to be examined by the king staff at Versailles Versailles recedes.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 31:16
Yeah, I just want to say I believe that our two movies, which both came out about 20 years ago address this legend of this creature, the one is called the beast of shavathon, which which came out I'm looking@imdb.com. It came out in 2003. And of course, the more of famous version, the Brotherhood of the wolf, which came out two years prior to that 2001 And I saw that movie when I was young adult or late teenager something like that. And that was a very cool movie a very mysterious and interesting movie when I was when I was younger, not scary, but just somewhat somewhat mysterious until the find the final moments like but even then you don't know was this you know human murder or an animal murder or something supernatural but again, we have two movies that depict the scene, legend and book came out like 20 years ago.
Dain Deutschman 32:15
Wow, yeah, that's cool. I'll have to look those up. So this beast that he killed it had 40 teeth but otherwise appeared hyena like. It became evident that the problems were far from solved. However, when the attacks resumed after a few weeks, many more people were savaged by a beast with a description similar to that of the first one. And the hunters again took up their grim chase. The person finally given credit for killing the true beast of Jabba Dawn was farmer and Hunter, John chef Estelle, who took part in a posse organized by the Marquise depature on June 19 1767, legend has it that chest sell shall sell shot the creature in the heart with a silver bullets he made from a consecrated chalice. A large dead wolf was then displayed in the area villages to prove the beasts demise. The killings did stop but everyone believed the trophy wolf was the real predator. Other theories are still being put forth. For instance, the History Channel's 2009 documentary, the real wolf man suggested that the true culprit was a species of Asian hyena long thought to be extinct. Others have scrutinized the Farmer John chiesto fear theorizing either that the beast was a hybrid of a wolf and a gigantic red free, Redford hunting Mastiff owned by chiesto or that chiesto was himself the werewolf and shot a real wolf only to stop the hunts before he could be discovered. There are just a few characteristics of the beast of Java dawn that remind me of the modern man wolf there's the occasional upright posture already mentioned, and also an incident or two and people reported the creature staring into houses of the man wolf staring into houses as the man Wolf is want to do. So there's a man Wolf is a designation I guess I don't know like different from dog man or something. I'm not sure.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 34:19
Yeah, they're they're somehow cousins.
Dain Deutschman 34:26
So anyways, the comparison to a hyena is something I have heard in manuals descriptions, especially when a prominent neck or office President is present. But when it comes to human carnage, I can assure readers that whenever a whenever random mungkin whatever random monk in France in the 1760s is nothing like the upright canid reported in the late 20th and early 21st centuries in the United States, and other countries since the more modern creature is not known to attack and eat people. Perhaps the beast has evolved
Nikola Hristov Victorious 35:01
Well like that last sentence because like, tells you nothing. Like it's all left to interpretation and like this. Like anticipation what can happen next? Okay, this is interesting subtitle, witches and werewolves on trial. the midst of Java non panic followed centuries of heist history has hysteria, over and persecution of alleged witches and werewolves, which were often considered to be one and the same. Okay, this is interesting. So basically, they were, in their mind, magical the occultic and one transforming into werewolf were in separate, so it was deeply connected. And I can say that I, even though I'm ignorant about this, right, but I can say that for the most part, I can agree with this.
Dain Deutschman 35:55
Yeah, reminds me. Sorry, it reminds me of the idea that American Indian Shaman can turn into a wolf man, like, the Skinwalker idea. Kind of similar to that.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 36:11
Yeah, went ahead. When I had a friend, he's a, he's an Orthodox Jew. We were talking from a scholarly perspective of very different, you know, cryptids, including demons. I mean, demons are not cryptid. So cryptic, comma, demons and stuff like that. There's so much that we don't know. So that's true. But it's also a lot that is aligning from from history from different cultures and from different sources. And one of them is like, there's so many religious rites, there's so much magic in the occult, there's so many incantations, you're like so many things that our people have acquired over the history of time, this forbidden knowledge or the forbidden fruit, which is forbidden for the good cause is that God wants to hide something good from us, but he wants to protect us from these things. So different people have through their devotion to now be Star Wars thing. So we're saying to the dark side, right, their devotion to the dark side gave them this forbidden knowledge, maybe something in the same form, like we just mentioned Necronomicon recently. So it could be that they acquire this forbidden dark knowledge and use it to summon all these things, and maybe even to merge with them to become one and then later to separate. So in that, in that context, I absolutely agree both with what she just said the author when it comes to this, you know, witchcraft and werewolves and what you said. Okay, Shannon said that the beast of LBL has eaten people. Yeah. Yeah, it did. Okay, back to the quiet back to the text. The Inquisition, as it was called, certainly killed more people between the late 1400s and the late 1600s. Then did any suspected like concepts. Okay, I didn't know this will be in the book. But actually, actually, I'm like, now one of those memes actually, when they tried to like, quote, you and they put all capital and small letters combined, you're like, actually some some nerd dude behind the camera? Oh, yeah. Yeah, actually, actually, let me correct. But when you read scholars, they say that not many people were killed through these witchcraft trials, that that's an over exaggerated story. And also expose, I mean, put out there by people who are atheists and skeptics, who would maybe hundreds and 1000s or 10s of 1000s of people were persecuted and killed and burned. But actually, actually,
Dain Deutschman 38:53
it's like a dig against. This
Nikola Hristov Victorious 38:54
number was so, so small, so it's not true. So if the author is implying this, I just have to correct and go with the scholars, right? respectfully disagree. That's all. Um, many books have been written on the topic, and I bring it up here mostly to make the point that full bore magical werewolves were considered very real, not just by the peasantry, but by the leading intelligencia and religious and political leaders of the day. This was not necessarily a good thing. Two big official documents laid the foundation for the errors, aggressive witch hunting and werewolf hunting, a papal bull issued in 1484 by Pope Innocent, the eighth authorize the extermination of witches and it was followed by the 1486 guide and handbook for doing so the this is the Latin word and I heard it so many times, but I'm going to try to pronounce it. The millennials Murphy CARDONE you loosely translated the hammer with which to Strike Witches and I found PDF online. And maybe there is a time in the future to do the episode just on this topic because it's very interesting.
Dain Deutschman 40:12
That would be really interesting. Yeah,
Nikola Hristov Victorious 40:14
I agree which which was written by to the American priests. The Witch Hunt was far more widespread and tragically successful then will be the search for the beast of Java Dawn, legions of investigators labeled 1000s of European men and women witches and werewolves accused them of sorcery and drag them to torture room to confess, no one was safe. When I was saying that I read some historians who knows what happened. I read about the case, I don't know in which country and which town when people were accused, specifically women, that only those were killed who didn't want to recount some, like, demonic or satanic beliefs, those who were like able to profess God and willing to say stuff like they were like, spared. And so not everyone was killed in murder, that that that being said, I'm not approving anyone being killed or murdered. I'm just saying that all these things is blown out of proportion. So according to some people, let you know, it sounds like oh my gosh, like there was a whole civil war out there. But it was. Okay. Sean is saying that the Catholic Church recently released primary source documents regarding the Inquisition. Cool. Well, Shawn, if you find that if you find the link, can you please send that in the in the comment section? Thank you. Great. Yeah. According to the scholar, huge Trevor Roper, in the European witch craze of the 16th and 17th centuries and other essays, by 1630, this altar was broken all previous records. It has become a holocaust of which lawyers, judges and clergy themselves joined old women join old women at a stake. Okay. All the official record executions are witches in Europe Between the years 13 118 100 number about 12,000. Scholars estimate the true profitable that's I have been as high as 100,000. People, I honestly doubt this, and I would like to see this source if it was just one of those like internet data, or actually scholars, and if it's one scholar, or like a plethora of scholars, if plethora of historians saying the same, I'll publicly apologize. Say, yep, you're right. One young man. Yeah, one young man accused of Werewolf isn't likely escaped the gruesome that those before him had received because he was arrested near the tail end of this centuries long bloodbath when cooler heads began to prevail. But ironically, he may have actually committed atrocities worth punishing. Okay, so this was the whole subsection, the whole sub chapter. It was more vague, and there was no particular example, I was hoping that she would actually give us some, you know, historical examples of how someone actually turned into a werewolf or doubt man or wolf, man through a magical light, it did not happen fine. I'm slightly disappointed with this little section. Do you want to switch to this next section?
Dain Deutschman 43:29
Yeah, and before we do, I just looked at that footnote. That's an internet source estimate of executions, the Hall of remembrance summerlands.com. So that's not necessarily a that's not a scholarly source.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 43:45
It must be true. It must be true. If it's on the internet, right? On
Dain Deutschman 43:50
the internet must be true. Yeah. To be.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 43:52
Yeah, it's
Dain Deutschman 43:53
gotta be
Nikola Hristov Victorious 43:54
try to use any internet source in your research paper on academia and you'll flunk Well you won't find but you will lose points and get a lower grade. So
Dain Deutschman 44:02
there was a there was a Travel Channel documentary that was like, I'm pretty sure I can't tell if it was meant to be a joke. Or if it was actually, they were being serious. But it was about this island up in Alaska. And there was supposedly a Bigfoot up there. And the natives call them nonton nunc. Have you have you seen that? So anyways, I don't think so. These guys are out in the woods. And you know, these were like just regular guys. They were natives, but, you know, they were regular guys, and they were out there and in their, all their gear with all the recording gear and everything. And they were tromping through the woods at night and they would hear like, a twig snap and they're like, oh, it's gotta be nonton knock. And then they were talking was like, it's got to be none to knock. It's just got to be look at this tree, the way it's broken. Like only nonton could have broke his tree like this. It's got to be none to knock it So I'm like yeah, it's got to be I just
Nikola Hristov Victorious 45:04
have to use another meme I'm sorry I never do this in any episode but it is so funny and it just comes to my mind another meme I remember that one someone used again I don't know who but someone used as an you know how sometimes when you write papers, you're like, you lack you know good scholarly articles and you're trying desperately to come at least to the minimum of what the professor is saying. So he may saying or she may say, hey, I need 1215 20 scholarly sources you may you may use everything you find and you're still like and feel so this person said well, once it was revealed to me in a dream it was so fun that's actually I know better that's actually the there's not there's no difference between that I saw on internet like that's a wiki pedia YouTube or any other source or blog or forum. That's not credible itself yet. There is a reason why that's
Dain Deutschman 45:59
that's really scraping the bottom of the barrel. had a dream. Yeah. That's nuts. So the next one is, am I agree in this one? Okay, so the next one is also from France. And this is one of my favorite stories of werewolves. So I'll read this section, but then I'd like to go to Baron gold's book and read his account of it, which to me is very creepy and just kind of stuff of nightmares. So anyways, Jean grungier Teen Wolf want to be Bordeaux, France. A young teenager, his age has been estimated between 12 and 14, who ran away from an impoverished abusive father became the sensation of southwestern France in 1603. Jean Grineer claimed that not only was he a werewolf, he had also killed and eaten a number of young women and children in the region. Eyewitnesses to some of the attacks, however, had described a wolf like animal at the scene, rather than a teenage human. Lacking evidence or corroboration, the judge in grenadiers trial was forced to rely heavily on the lads own testimony. G engineer, who is almost certainly suffering from severe emotional and mental disorders, did not require torture to motivate his confession. He freely admitted to committing horrific murders and described a colorful initiation right with the devil that gave him the power to become a loop guru, which is French for werewolf Grineer eagerly explained in court how a few years earlier, a neighbor had taken him deep into the woods, where they were met by the devil in form of a man on horseback. The man's title was Lord of the forest. Okay, that's just funny. I was
Nikola Hristov Victorious 47:51
this, this Aragorn before he became king.
Dain Deutschman 47:54
Right maybe it was a railroad arranger rolling through the woods. So anyways, he scratched his sign upon your near with a fingernail, and then gave him the magic cape and salve by which he was transformed. We've probably read about this before, but on a lot of these stories, there's a an object like a cape or something. And a salad for a lotion that's supposedly made with some like, oh, there's a flower. I forget the name of the flower just now. But there's a certain flower that they would put in there wolfsbane maybe. And it would make this salve. And supposedly the salve was was what they would rub on their bodies to transform into a werewolf and that that's in a lot of wearable stories.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 48:40
I know about wolfsbane because it's in many RPG games, and I love fantasy roleplay in RPG games, so like I know from games, yeah. It reminded me when you mentioned the you know the this special power, I mean, the cloak with special powers. Remember when Apostle Paul was imprisoned he taught me was it Timothy bring me the books, the schools and the capes. I'm like, maybe who escaped the prison like do the Houdini thing? I
Dain Deutschman 49:08
don't know. Yeah, little Harry Potter invisibility cape or something. Yeah. So Grineer also claimed to be the son of a priest, when his father was actually known to be Pierre Grineer. A very poor, simple, simple, rustic meaning like a farmer or something. And it was the teens habit of bragging about his wolfskin Cape in the magic South made of unspecified ingredients that brought him to the attention of the authorities. He had not been able to resist telling one intended victim all about himself, before she managed to escape and turn him in and that's the story I'd like to talk about next. The 13 year old shepherdess testified that after the red haired Grineer had boasted of his life in therapy. She was attacked in a field by a wolf with reddish fur and a stumpy tail. She was able to drive the suspected werewolf away, she said but it stayed within sight and stared at her. Your near did not deny this accusation and in fact said that he had murdered several other infants and children, who are publicly known to have killed have been killed. Investigators searched for evidence that Grineer had committed these crimes but failed to find anything conclusive. Grineer was convicted nonetheless and sentenced to be hanged to death and then burned. Perhaps because of his age, however, his case was appealed to a higher court, we're going near again confessed to all his evil deeds. This court was more discerning evidently, better questioning pointed out glaring inconsistencies within Grenier stories, causing him to suddenly change them. And the medical exam showed Grenier was physically malnourished Grineer was declared stupid and idiotic and stupid and idiotic. That's quite a diagnosis. And his exploits were deemed to have been hallucinations. Grineer was finally given the unusual sentence of banishment to the monastery of the Cordelia airs in Bordeaux where amongst sequestered him from other human contact, damage, and we started
Nikola Hristov Victorious 51:21
measuring, sorry, interrupt, but imagine finishing your research paper. And in concluding paragraph you're like, Well, I disagree with this with this. I don't know Skylar, because he's quote unquote, he's stupid and idiotic. Like, Dan from the school. I'm sorry. Like, do
Dain Deutschman 51:40
you know how many of us wanted to say that right? I imagine being one of those monks having to watch this kid. And who got that probably the newbie, probably the new guy.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 51:53
Imagine your new being a minus eight, just you and this, you know, evil person in the same room and like, this person starts levitating. You're like, knocking on the door open, please let me know. If you pass the test, if you spend the night and survive, you'll become a monk tomorrow.
Dain Deutschman 52:15
Yeah. So many historians see his trial as a landmark case that set a precedent for considering mental illness and other factors in judging alleged sorcerers rather than automatically charging them with heretical math and magical practices. So this is actually an important case in I would say, what when is this? Did it say when this was 1603? So that's, that's the 15th century. So that's not medieval anymore. But I would imagine, for some years, that was probably by like lawyers was considered. That's the beginning of 17th century. All right. 17th century Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 1603 Yeah. So Grineer did not thrive at the monastery despite decent treatment there. He died only eight years after his arrival. But one man who visited him before his death, Pierre de Lange Cray made some interesting observations about grinning ear his appearance. He said that your ear was short with black deep set eyes. His long nails are darkened and his brown teeth jetted from his mouth. descriptions that made Grineer sound almost feral. In other words, despite Grineer sad physical condition, and lack of grooming, he was still plainly a human being. Even though his first accusers were determined to execute Him, they could present no evidence that he turned into a wolf, or even that he murdered anyone. Although it's possible that your near was a psychotic serial killer. And while history has branded John Grineer as a werewolf, his tail seems unrelated to modern sightings of upright canines. We will have to look elsewhere to explain America's wolf men. And so I do have this some bearing gold's book here. Got a cool cover on it. And so I just I don't want to read the story from here I don't think it's too long but it I disliked it published
Nikola Hristov Victorious 54:20
I'm sorry, isn't published and or translated by John Burton.
Dain Deutschman 54:24
I believe Jeff Burton does have a version. Yeah, he does. Yeah, yeah. I
Nikola Hristov Victorious 54:28
think I bought the PDF from him a couple of years ago. Yeah, yep. Yep.
Dain Deutschman 54:34
Okay, so John, you're in your one fine afternoon. In the spring, some village girls were tending their sheep on the sand dunes which intervene between the vast forests forests of pine covering the greater portion of the present department of Landis in the south of France in the sea, the brightness of the sky, the freshness of the air, puffing up off the blue twinkling Bay of Biscay, the hum of Song of the hum or song of the wind, as it made rich music Among the Pines which stood like green, uplifted wave on the east, the beauty of the sand hills speckled with golden sisters are patched with gente and blue by the low growing. gremio Khushi the charm of the forest skirts, tinted variously with foliage and court trees, pines and acacia, the ladder in full bloom Okay, he goes on to describe everything, I'm just gonna skip that. They were the mains were singing and they're singing run merrily over the hills, and through the dark avenues of evergreens. Now, a gorgeous butterfly attracted their attention. And then a flight of quails, skimming on the surface. Ah, exclaimed Jacqueline, as soon if I had my Stillson bats, I would strike the birds down and we should have a fine supper. Now if they would fly already cooked into one's mouth, as they do in the foreign parts that another girl, have you gotten a new coat? Okay, I'm just going to skip past some of this stuff. So the girls are talking. And anyways, the girls ran into a spot and saw a little fall in the ground in which seated on a log of fur was a boy of 13. The appearance of the lad was peculiar. His hair was of a tawny, red and thickly matted, falling over his shoulders and completely covering his narrow brow. His small pale gray eyes twinkled with an expression of horrible ferocity and cunning, from deep sunken hollows. The complexion was of dark all of color, and the teeth were strong and white, and the canine teeth pretreated over the lower lip. When the mouth was closed. The boy's hands were large and powerful, the nails black, and pointed like birds talons, he was ill clothed, and seemed to be the most in the most abject poverty. The few garments he had on him were in tatters and through though the rents and emaciation of his limbs was plainly visible, so he was really skinny. The girls stood around him, half frightened, and much surprised, but the boys showed no symptoms of astonishment, his face relaxed into a ghastly Lear, which showed the whole range of his glittering white fangs. Well, my maidens, he said, with a harsh voice, which of you is the prettiest I should like to know? Can you decide amongst you? What do you want to know for as Jean gabber on the eldest of the girls, aged 18, who took upon herself to be spokesman for the rest, because I shall marry the prettiest, he said. Ah, said Jean Jean jokingly, that is if she will have you which is not very likely as none of us know you or anything about you. I'm the son of a priest, replied the boy curtly. Is that why you look so dingy and black? No, I'm dark colored because I wear a wolfskin sometimes, a wolfskin. echoed the girl and pray who gave it to you? One called Pierre lab rant. There is no man of that name here about where does he live? A scream of laughter mingled with howls and breaking into strange gulping busts of burst of fiend like merriment from the strange boy. The girls recoiled, and the youngest took refuge behind Jean. Do you want to know Pierre LeBron last? Hey, he is a man with an iron chain about his neck, which he has ever engaged in nine. Do you want to know where he lives last? He ha in a place of gloom and fire, where there are many companions some seated on Iron chairs, burning burning, others stretched on glowing beds burning to some cast upon blazing coals, others roast men before fierce flames. Others again plunge them into Cauldrons of liquid fire. So my guess is pure LeBron is Satan. The girls traveled and looked at each other with scared faces, and then again the hideous being which crouched before them. You want to know about the wolfskin Cape continued he? Here LeBron gave me that he wraps it around me and every Monday, Friday and Sunday, and for about an hour at dusk every other day. I am a wolf, a werewolf. I have killed dogs and drink their blood, but little girls taste better. Their flesh is tender and sweet. Their blood rich and warm. I have eaten many a maiden as I have been on my raids together with my nine companions. I am a werewolf haha. If the Sun were to hit, I would soon fall on one of you and make a meal of you. Again, he burst into his fright one of his frightful paradoxes of laughter, and the girls were unable to endure it any longer and fled with precipitation. I just thought the way that was worded was really kind of horrific, horrific, you know, so that's why I wanted to kind of it was both mental and funny. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 59:39
It was like this dude needed an exorcist but also a psychologist, like like both of them not either or both. He needed both. Yes.
Dain Deutschman 59:47
Which is probably true of these like and like anthropic people, so But um, you know with that it's eight o'clock and so I was gonna probably hop off around a ate. And so I think I'll do that. But anyways, it's been great. Just having fun and going through some stories and talking. So I appreciate it.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 1:00:10
A thank you so much for your time. Happy New Year. God bless you and your family and we'll do something again next year.
Dain Deutschman 1:00:17
Alright, sounds good. God bless you as well. Happy New Year.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 1:00:20
Thank you. Okay, yeah,
Dain Deutschman 1:00:23
bye. Bye.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 1:00:31
You will have to exit from your part. Yeah.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 1:00:41
Okay, well, you're left with me. I'm going to read few more sub chapters and we'll call it a day. So the next sub chapter is called dogs of God. Werewolves as Falk heroes. Less they leave the impression that all historical werewolves are upright candidates are either nasty brutes or products of mental illness, which is funny because we just mentioned this, I would like to mention a few historic positive examples. In southern China, for instance, their population groups that proudly claimed to have dogs or dog men in their family tree. The canine ancestor is called Palm who, which means platter vessel. The concept is related to ideas of the original cast egg from which people haven't an earth were created. Even in medieval Europe, werewolves could sometimes get a leg up on society by protecting the populace rather than dining upon it. Livonia, a Baltic Region ruled by Germans and then Russia's and inhabited by a mix of Northern European peoples was once home to an enclave of Bennett benevolent werewolves. Okay, I like this. It's different. And actor denarian named peace t h e i s s who went on trial. Therefore werewolf theory in 1692 claimed that he and his life can Confederate fought the devil rather than partner with him. Okay, this reminds me a little bit of the Christian saint Saint Christopher, who was portrayed with a with a wolf hat. So he was supposedly a wolf man, but he was a saint. He was serving God. So this just reminds me of that story. I like it. So according to this guy, this he says that Adam Douglas in the book The Best with the best, the beast within Livonian variables of both sexes, joined to hell on three different holy feasts night after each year to act as the dogs of God. The werewolves brought Imran whips to battle Satan's minions for the brain shots of the land for the green shoots of the land I'm sorry. Failure immense starvation for the people of Livonia, still other Livonia. Ian's tried for being variables insisted that they they transformed only in order to fight witches, thereby distinguishing themselves themselves as they probably hoped, from the type of sorcery that they might lend them steak to a brush pile for date with a lit torch. Wow. This is amazing. So we're not transferring from the like so called good werewolves. So these are people who are able somehow to transform into the image and likeness of, of animals. We don't know if they're, you know how long it took them to go back to be normal, regular people, but they didn't do it for the evil purposes. They didn't, you know, eat anyone. They just joined regular normal people to find the devil supposedly, and they're called The Dogs of God. Again, this reminds me so much of the story of the St. Christopher, you can just Google and read his story very, very interesting, even though we don't know that much about St. Christopher. And honestly, we don't know how much is true and how much is just a legend, but it's still super cool. Okay, unfortunately, this was a very short subchapter, we're now going to a different story called transatlantic lichens. Although the indigenous people of the new world had their own canine human traditions, European versions still made it across the Atlantic with generations of immigrants from France came one of the earliest lichen arrivals du loup good Who, with showed up in the early Great Lakes settlements of Green Bay and Detroit. Detroit settled by traders, trappers and French military and Jesuits, was founded in 1701, just nine years after the Livonian trial of the suspected werewolf keys. The settlement of Green Bay, Wisconsin was established even earlier in the 1600s. It's no wonder than the future state capitol Michigan and the eventual home of the Green Bay Packers. were bought both once rife with rumors that werewolves prod their great lake shores. Okay, this just brings me to some modern day stories of paranormal encounters that people are experiencing with their hiking or camping or something so I see another similarity. Some typical if fanciful tales of Detroit and Green Bay include. First one a French trader, known for cheating on his payments for furs was beset one night by a group of Detroit forest witches who had decided to punish the scoundrel. A whirl a werewolf joined the fray and jumped on the traders back causing the traders rosary to drop to the ground. And this reminds me again of the one of the RPG or fantasy roleplay games where you can lead not just one character but a group of characters that you can you can choose their their, you know, beastly races to be so what if you had like a shaman and then you had a werewolf. This just reminds me of that. The holy beads forced the werewolf to plunge into the ground. Later a sulphur spring called Belle Fontaine bubble out of that spot at super creepy. Second story is that a werewolf kidnapped a young bride named our conch Simone from her from her wedding feast. This sparked a fierce wolf hunt. While the groom went mad with grief, his companions managed to at least severely sever the werewolves tail before it jumped into a river and was eaten by a catfish. Okay, that that doesn't sound very credible. Unless the catfish was side of the of the whale or whatever. swallow Jonah, I don't buy this area tribal people claim to have that tail. And many members of the tribe refuse to eat catfish to this day. Okay. Another story says that early Detroit, Detroit her a jack moron became a werewolf to gain power to snatch away a woman he loved who had entered a convent. He followed her to a shrine to the Virgin Mary at Grosse Pointe one day and made his move as she stood in prayer in front of a beautiful sculpture. But just as she sprang, but just as he sprang at her, she happened to drop to the floor in worship in the luckless, more armed, was turned into a stone statue in Mead lit by the holiness of the virgins married by the Virgin Mary's carved face. Again, I'm suspicious when it comes to this story. It's a cool story, but I don't know. And the last one is in Old Grey Bay, Wisconsin, many horse barns were believed inhabited by Luton's mischievious elf like beings, each with a single large eye and wearing a pointed hat. Maybe they just lack some good fashion and like we don't know we can judge them right. But according to some old tales, Lutens could also assume other shapes, especially horses delu been a derivation of Luton is a similar creature of Normandy that may appear as a wolf and that horns, churchyards. It shouldn't be scared of churchyards, not to harm them, but whatever. in southeastern states such as Louisiana, the French derived CA, whom I hope I'm pronouncing this properly, dialect Ahsoka Hoon dialect turned loop guru to rule guru. Man this is fascinating. We all know about the guru myth slash slash legend or similar variations, but all still refer to an upright whoo headed preacher like this to Guru. It was actually sad to skulk around swamps, those liminal waterways that keep popping up as favorite habitats of unknown creatures. France was not the only country to expect to export its mouth There's so French, I mean, France and some other European countries were exporting their masters. Well, not my country. So thank you so much. Germany, immigrants came a bit later to the states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, but we're no better than the French that living there hobgoblins behind. One good example is that of the spook wolves of Potter County, Pennsylvania discussed in chapter nine. Okay, this is chapter three or four so this comes later.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 1:10:33
German settlers, and an immigrant subset called the Pennsylvania Dutch brought traditions of the war wolf spell with W A our war Wolf. They also feared the shape shifting of Hakka I don't know it's a German word, whose name comes from a verb meaning to leap upon describing Jonathan memories vampire universe as a whole, hulking brute that walks on its hind legs, so its back legs. The outer Hawker may also appear in other forms, and he hangs out at Crossroads another typically haunted location. Man, this is interesting because in some Eastern European traditions, evil beings, demonic satanic things happen are late at nights after midnight. Until the sunrise at the crossroads many, many satanic rituals were performed at the crossroads. Why? I don't know but this is interesting. Came let's do this one also pioneer werewolf and wild men of of Wisconsin. Wisconsin had its own settler area. A legit Werewolf The werewolf of Springfield coroner's discussed in the beast of Bray road. According to historian Charles E. Brown, the alleged werewolf earn his living as an inherent dance instructor. Okay, this is his tech. I'm sorry, the legit werewolf earn his living as an itinerant dance instructor. So by the daytime he was a dancer, and by the nighttime he was aware of. There has to be a movie made by this story. I'm sorry, but it has to be. What please make it not horrible. But a comedy movie I'm sorry, but it has to be that way. His name was gross. Which means big in German sometime before 1848. Her gross had come to settle in Springfield corners a few miles northwest of Madison, and was boarding with a former who lived on Silk Road. Springfield corners lies on a crossroads at the intersection of what is now a state highway 12 and county road P between a couple of small lakes and the vana key Marsh at the time of her grace. The little community believed that a werewolf will alert on its fringes. A housewife saw a wolf like creature and she sat and the site made her start in surprise and twist her ankle. She then heard the best laugh at her. Maybe this was a aware hyena. Right not well, maybe it was aware of a you know because it was laughing right? The deaths of six children in one family from that town were also blamed on the werewolf, although the deaths were from illness also, I'm sorry all although the family from their town. They were also blamed on the werewolf, although the deaths were from illness. Sorry for that. Everyone is suspected that gross was a werewolf that he had cursed the children with his devilish powers. I don't know about that. I never heard about werewolves having magical powers. So but I don't know. One day a wealthy farmer made a trip to medicine to buy some horses with a stash of gold coins. He did not come back because he went drinking the he was later found robbed and murdered. Everyone against suspected grass. Man wants your black sheep in the family here always black sheep. So everyone suspected gross but because they thought he was a werewolf. He was not openly accused for fear of what he might do in retribution. Grace lived out the rest of his years in Springfield coroner's under a cloud of suspicion. There was also at least one wandering near feral person in Wisconsin, dubbed it The wild man of luck Ranch, he probably could have been burned on the spot had he lived in sixth and Central Europe. Well, if he was really a wolf man that was hurting people, then you know, can blame people. Look back in the 19th century Annals of the newspaper and you will inevitably find stories of local wild map. Sometimes the tales are invested with superstitions that people held about single, reclusive, quote unquote hermits. Often, especially in stories dating back to the 1800s the tales may be quite sensationalized and hint of appearances and behavior that now remind us of Bigfoot and dog man. In W files, so this is not X Files but w files. Okay. True reports of Wisconsin's unexplained phenomena. Jane dreht, tells of the 1899 she Peva county capture a one wild man who had lost nearly all resemblance to human being and then another report and in 1900, to be securing the B chambers out of people around in far western Wisconsin with his long black beard. Well, at one point I had black beard, doesn't mean I was carrying I don't know I hope not. I'll start shaving often. I promise if that will save me from trouble. So with his long blog, beard, wild screams and his habit of toting a trans Berg hatchet everywhere. Some have suggested that mother creatures sightings may also be mis identification of very rustic humans. Yeah, it reminds me a little bit of the movie or movies type of like, Hills Have Eyes or the wrong term. Well, you see these wild men in the rural places of America right? Like there were then came in. But in depression era America, the subjects of these reports are usually men who are homeless, unemployed or afflicted with mental disorders. And this is sad. This is this is very believable, believable this happens. Some were merely unassimilated immigrants to one captured in downtown whitewater in February 1929. Mayhem been all of the above the whitewater register article published February 14, under the headline LeBrons Wildman captured by Tayar said periodically for several years, a mysterious stranger has made his home in the Rough Country north of La garage. He was a wild looking individual, short, stocky, bewhiskered uncapped, furtive, furtive and with no visible means of support. He lived in stress, stress tax and fill barns and occasionally came to the loader abroad store. I don't know I can pronounce this for food anyway, he came to store for supplies. Naturally his wild appearance when he was seeing gay women and children afraid. You sexually announced it makes me sad. Because this could have been very misunderstood. For just someone who was like, like we just read, he was a stranger. He was a foreigner. Maybe he didn't know the language. He didn't have family who were just fighting to survive and because he was not groomed well. He was a homeless he was outside. He looked weird to people and they were scared of him. But this doesn't sound like someone who's wanting to hurt people. Yeah, Shawn, I'm sorry. I didn't see your your comment when I made about the catfish. He said they're huge. Capitalize huge catfish who supposedly saw the the wearable from the previous story? Yeah. Maybe the ground has been the location of many sightings of both Bigfoot and men will from the 1960s on. It lies on the edge of the Kettle Moraine state forest and its corner store still survives to serve the many hikers and bikers who come to explore cattle moraines, recreational trails. I can say that I know the community well since I happen to live quite near it. And the 1929 law garage had its own constable and yes head it's uncomfortable deal fair or tire? Who does who decided the wild man had become a scary nuisance that shouldn't be hunted down at Unlike that, that's, that doesn't seem fair. It just seems as a band and ungroomed homeless person who's from another country.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 1:20:12
Then tribit tear began to lie in wait of the Lord dryer store. One day he somehow nabbed this scruffy fellow and took him to the county jail in Elkhorn, which had a steady stream of vagrants in 1929. The Register noted that the bed bedraggled man was covered in quote unquote varied artifacts to keep from freezing to death, and then speculate that he might be Russian. All he needed was a blanket and a soup not to be tortured or imprisoned. I found no further mention of that while men but it did occur to me that it was only seven years later and about 20 miles away that Mark shackle man saw the enigmatic beast atop the burial mound of St. colletta Institute just outside Jefferson might shackle men might have actually seen the hairy wild man in the darkness and Miss identified him I would say possibly, I'm not saying this was the same person but it could be. I mean, this is well known. Just forget about religion or paranormal stuff. We know this from psychology that we are afraid of the things that we don't know. So if something's unknown to us, we tend to be I'm not saying like are you like you're trembling in fear, but you're staying away from that because it's unknown you want to protect yourself so in that way, people are over protected sometimes, because we don't know something. So according to the author, Linda Godfrey wrote this book that would explain the creatures ability to utter the word of God Daraa gather I don't know what is this? Let's find out. The fact that the wild man wore assorted articles of clothing would have been very apparent to shackle man however, and I doubt the little fellow would have looked like a tall for a covered monster with fangs and claws. Especially because these these dudes this supposedly ration was was was short as we read. So I don't think this was the same, like shape shifting. person at all. Doesn't look psychologically physically spiritually doesn't look at all. So according to the author, again, she doesn't think it was the same person for covered monster with fangs and claws, even in the dramatic elimination given by the flashlight at night. Also try looking up phonetic variations of Gandhara. In Russian dictionary, just in case the word meant something like Brother, can you spare a dime, but with no results. I must conclude then, that the wild man of lug wrench probably cannot be blamed for St. Coletta incident. But I think it's good to remember such unkempt specimens of humanity. Were out there and still may be on okay, my lOn. That was my last story for tonight. But I just have to give the last comment. This is sad. There is nothing supernatural in this story except a homeless person who wanted to be alone who just needed help and love of his fellow neighbors. And again, forget about religion or supernatural stories. He was because of his look, right? There was no one to take care of him. He looks so different than us. And people have turned him into a monster. And a so called self proclaim here back in that day, wanted to capture him and he did put him to jail just because you look different so that he would appease to the people of his town and and his age. And that said that said it reminds me I'm not a political person. But it just reminds me of people who for political points and games, they do all sorts of things just to be applauded. And that's sad. That's sad, and I hope we can learn something from this last story. That is not always. Well, I hope we will learn from all these stories tonight and that everything we see there is mysterious that it must be demonic. It could be a result of psychological condition of someone. They may not be involved in occultic or anything supernatural, they could be just people who need the therapy and, you know, to be held and held in a mental institution and at least for the time period until they're helped. So not everything that is weird. Not everything that is mysterious is demonic. also hope that we see in this story, you know, like this boring foreigner will, I hope, because I was a foreigner once in the States. So I hope we also learned that not every foreigner is asking for help, that we don't always see them, as you know, is evil. Or, you know, maybe you don't belong here just because they're different than us. So there is some biblical message to this, especially this last point, to love your neighbor. That doesn't mean you can always take them home or buy them food or whatever, but you don't have to hate them. You don't have to kick them out. You don't have to call police. If you see someone who's coming from a different country, just asking for help. You know, we can be kind and sometimes being kind to someone, it's not just talking to them or hugging them or helping them and praying for them, sometimes also smiling and leaving them alone instead of bothering them. I really enjoyed this time with all of you, especially with Dane. I'm thankful that he sacrifice one hour from his family, because I know he had plans with them for tonight. So I want to say thank you. Okay, so he also sent a message he said, thanks for having me on. Happy New Year. And that's my message for all of you. This was our last episode for the for 2023. We made about 160 videos, or 41 of those were long episodes like this one. We got almost 150 Subs subscribers for less than a year and nine at nine and a half months. And I wanted to spend this time were you guys doing something I love? I don't believe that they're restoring. Thank you. Thank you, Alberto. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. God bless you but Utah Berta, Utah and your family thank you. I just wanted to spend the last day of this year doing something I love doing, you know, sharing this with you guys, I know that holidays can be difficult for some people. I'm here by myself, I know that some people go through loneliness and depression in holidays, I don't because I was never big on holidays. So if this is one of your refugee places where you can spend time on holidays and weekends, instead of feeling lonely and having, you know those bad thoughts, I'm happy that any portion section of my time and of this, of this channel can contribute to maybe your well being or to be more interested to, you know, buying and reading books, pursuing. learning not to be afraid from all these mysterious, mysterious things, not to put them all in the demonic category. So in all these different shapes and forms, I hope that this channel is trying to challenge you to encourage you and to help you push towards the last arm of the channel, which is majesty, which is Christ. Thank you, Shawn. You too. Thank you. Yes. Next year. He knows I hate this. Yes, I hate when people told me a week before the year ends they tell me all See you next week, which means next. I mean, they say I'll see you next year which means next week and I hate that because it's usually childish jokes. So people tell me that now intentionally to pre work me. But of course I don't take it as anything that it just funny. Yeah, see you next year. And so make sure you sir come more often on the podcast. But yeah, I just want to say like we did some progress this year. Um, it was a year of ups and downs. It wasn't a year. He's laughing. It was a year of me finding out recently that my dad has a lung cancer and I would appreciate if anyone it doesn't matter if you know me or not prays for your for my dad also. I've been dealing with some health issues and my knee surgery in few months. So those as as you know for prayers for myself, but more importantly for my dad for his soul and body. So yeah, it's been a year very challenging for the channel very challenging for myself. I graduated I've been trying to get into the pastoral or chaplaincy job. Also trying not to be discouraged by my dad's condition. Many times help on the channel with different people, but many times carrying the burden by myself. And this is not me repeating myself, I'm just saying. And but I wanted to, in a good way spoil my audience. I wanted to know that, hey, you can you can count on me unless like I'm dying. You can count it every weekend. There'll be a new episode. So I wanted to keep that. And until, God forbid, until unless I something bad again, God forbid it happens to my dad or if I probably need a surgery or whatever happens. So in those cases, I'll have to take a break for a while but otherwise you can count that every week. We'll prepare something for you.
Nikola Hristov Victorious 1:29:58
So yeah, my message For the next year will be all of you to you know, keep seeking God, knowing that it's not your good it's not your perfection that pleases God. It's your obedience and seeking him right? He promised that those who seeking the whole heart will find him. And that is true for all of us. I also want to encourage you that it's fine. If you have questions, it's fine. If you have doubts, that doesn't mean you're failing God, it doesn't mean that other Christians in your church are better than you. It doesn't mean that absolutely. Unless you have questions you will never grow unless you have questions, you will never learn so many things. I'm not better I'm not smarter than than anyone. But what I like about about myself is that I have this curious mind, I would always want to read more, learn more, and listen from others who know more than me, so I can learn more, right? Because from all this knowledge, I can understand reality better, I cannot stand the supernatural world better, I can find the opposite side the evil side better. And I can instruct and help hopefully one day more people, especially the church with a capital C, so the global church with all the material we are producing. And I hope all of you know that. Whenever I have a guest whenever we read a book, whenever we read an article whenever we analyze a video, I hope you all know it, you already assume in your healthy logical thinking that not every I don't agree with everyone. I don't agree with every guest. I don't agree with every quotation, I don't agree with every book. But it's still good to assess, with all these different topics with all these different scholars with all these different clergymen and to understand how different types of people different professions, different scholars are coming with different conclusions, we don't have to agree with them. But we can kindly dialogue with them, and talk with them so we can learn more, even if we disagree, we can learn from the other side. I hope this channel has been a blessing to you in this funny 23 I still didn't find a guest and didn't plan for the next weekend, what will be but you can count it, something will happen even if I have to come by myself. I hope and pray that God blesses all of you, I hope that you become more of godly, but also more intellectual, that you start on spending more money on books. And, you know, you just use your mind to glorify God as instructed and given the command as a command in the Bible by God. For you for me, I also hope that you find that if you find yourself to be a strange person, like I'm, I'm strange in many different ways. And I spoke about this recently with a friend with a new friend. I hope that you're not discouraged. It's okay to be different. It's okay to be weird. As long as you're not sitting in that. In that character trait, it's okay to be different. I don't find myself to be I don't see myself to be the same like like my family members, or even my extended family members, I don't see myself to be the same as my church friends, I don't see myself at all, but that's okay. We're called to love them. We are we are called to, you know, be kind to them. We are called to but we're also called not to copy and imitate people. We are called to imitate the Lord and follow Him. So if he made you to be different, that's fine. If you were made to be a dork or you know, a lover of, you know, theology, electronic or supernatural parts, it's okay. As long as you're not seeming, you don't have to be like everyone else. And if you decide to spend your holidays in a certain way, if you decide to subscribe to different channels, if you decide to spend from your savings on your own education, it's perfectly fine. You don't have to copy others what they're doing. Okay, so this comes, I'm not a pastor. But this comes a little bit from that pastoral part, that little pastoral part for me, the same way is when I felt bad for the, the positive Russian immigrant. So I need more kindness to show to people. So I don't want to be a hypocrite. And I hope God changes me in different ways. And next year, I also hope God heals and saves my dad in both physical and spiritual way. And I hope all of you who are watching this, that you're an RN in which way but that you're somehow encouraging 2024 I'm not even talking about finding a new job finding a spouse getting healed. I'm talking about things that we tend to forget but they're very important our theological, mental, psychological, emotional formation, maturity, enjoying in hobbies and things that you love that that that may not be very well respected or cherished. by people around you, but again, that's fine. That's fine. You're not called to be like them any comment, any email any, anytime when you want to contribute to the channel, I really appreciate that makes me happy. doing podcasts doing YouTube doesn't make me comfortable. But I tend to be the most of myself when I spend time with you guys on Sunday nights. I'm happier than when I'm sometimes out with my friends way happier than I'm, I don't know, working way happier than if I want to exercise and workout because if I do those things I do. I hate him. But I'm doing for my well being. But I am here. When I whenever I do the episode, I'm to the fullest point being myself. And I appreciate because the channel is growing. And I get you know, moral support and prayers. And I appreciate because I have this privilege to share who I am even though very imperfect to all of you. So I love you guys, I would be very thankful it doesn't cost you anything, it takes five seconds max of your time. If you subscribe to the channel, and start sharing more videos longer and shorter. I'm the one who is cutting those short videos, naming them and sharing them every day. I had to learn that because I can always pay people to do stuff for me. So I'm, I'm thankful whenever you subscribe, share files like them, because it helps the algorithm the YouTube channel doesn't cost you anything. I'm not making any money yet. But it can help us to slowly get to the point of 500 people maybe 1000 And maybe in the future to start making some money so I can start finally covering the cost that I have for the channel. Because by now I'm all paying by myself. I want to thank Paul specifically. Because Paul was so far in this nine and a half ones the only person who contribute financially to the channel. Maybe he didn't want me to tell this publicly. But he's the guy who came through times on the channel, my dear brother from Canada. I never met him in person I probably never will but he's the only one who financially support me. So I want to thank you Paul. May God bless you and your family. But yeah, guys, any like any prayer, any encouragement, any financial contribution is cherished. And it's really a blessing to me. i This is this may be hysterical to most of you. And understanding if you don't understand it, but to me, this is how I see all of you very important left like not like my kids, but I see you because I don't have many subscribers, right, like almost 350 Like, every time when someone subscribes. I'm so happy every time when someone else subscribes. I get unhappy for a short period of time. But see, I think it's almost personal. Like why why? Why do they do roll? So I want to say that I cherish all of you. I don't know you most of you. I don't know you. But I love you to this to this YouTube channel. So anytime you guys have a question or suggestion or anything, you know, you're welcome to comment. Several times we had very unkind commentators. I'm okay, I'm not okay if they if they're thrown at me, but I can deal with it. But please, again, you can say anything about me but don't Don't insult my guests. That's not fair. So I will just ask you that. That being said, please like and subscribe. May God bless you. Be safe tonight. Have a wonderful 2020 2024. Again, don't be don't be scared to be who you are unless again you're sending. start buying books or reading books are asking more questions. Start learning about theology apologetics supernatural world and see how all of this can slowly come together. And more and more you'll learn and you'll be more confident in your faith. And you can have better and deeper discussions with people both in the church and out of church. And guess what I'm not trying to change or convert anyone by by forcing them. I plan to have guests who will be from different faiths or atheists and that's fine if they can help me contribute to any topic. I'm not proselytizing. I would love people to come to Christ because he's good and worth it before but I will I plan to force no one. I do the same with people I work with with my family members are on YouTube. But I hope this channel has been a blessing to you. So I will see you hopefully next Sunday. May God Bless you be encouraged. Subscribe, Share, like and all those things. God bless you love you and see you and please keep my dad in prayers. Thank you
It was Robert E. Howard of Conan the Barbarian fame.
It’s Kathulos and this story about Robert E. Howard and Lovecraft can be found in The Cult of the Alien Gods, location 885 (Kindle), Ibid.
H.P. Lovecraft invented the concept of the book and allowed other authors to reference it in different ways. This led to many people believing that the book was real. But in circa 1930-1950s when Lovecraft was writing his stories it was not a real book. However, as the Lovecraft mythos developed over time, people created versions of their own, both as hoaxes and to try and “make it become real”. The 1980 version written by an author under the pseudonym of “Simon” was later discovered to be a hoax by author Peter Levenda. However, this did not stop the Church of Satan and other people in the occult from believing that this book had some kind of magical power. Indeed, people who have owned these Necronomicons report strange things happening like the book appearing in different places than it was left. I believe that there is sinister power in the occult and books like this should be avoided or handled with care. Christians are commanded to expose evil and reclaim the world for Christ. This looks different in the life of every Christian. With regards to this book it may look like avoiding it, exposing it, destroying it, praying to Christ to neutralize it’s power over people, etc.
This is very similar to how ancient people believed about the underworld. Everyone went there when they died, and there was no escape. You died and then existed in a lonely, stark, dreamscape. If you were evil in life, sometimes there was punishments in the underworld for you, but even if you were good; there was no real hope. The ancients pre-Christ did not have a hope for resurrected life after death (I mean in a new body), except for the Jews, to some degree, during the Intertestamental Period. During the biblical period, when you died, you went to Sheol. And in the Hellenistic age; Hades. But after Christ, all believers go directly to be with Him, in Paradise/Heaven.
I’ll come back and finish editing the transcript at a future time. Hopefully someone will benefit in some way from our discussion and the information here. Thank you!